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Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165

The real choice is the kind of watch: the vivoactive 5 is a smartwatch and the Forerunner 165 is a sports watch. On the specs, the vivoactive 5 has the edge: it is lighter and tracks sleep in more depth.

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Key differences

  • Battery life

    Evenly matched

    Similar battery life: up to 11 days and 11 days.

  • GPS

    Evenly matched

    Both have built-in GPS with similar features.

  • Display

    Evenly matched

    Both have AMOLED screens of a similar size.

  • Health

    Evenly matched

    Much the same health sensors.

  • Weight

    vivoactive 5 wins

    The Garmin vivoactive 5 is lighter: 23 g against 39 g.

Other differences

  • Type Depends on you

    They're built for different jobs: the vivoactive 5 is a smartwatch and the Forerunner 165 is a sports watch.

  • Sleep vivoactive 5 wins

    The vivoactive 5 goes further on sleep, with sleep coaching.

Which one should you choose?

Choose the vivoactive 5 if…

  • You want apps, messages and a bright screen first: it is a full smartwatch.
  • You wear it to bed or have small wrists: it weighs 23 g.
  • You want to sleep better: it scores each night and tells you what to change.

Choose the Forerunner 165 if…

  • Training comes first: it is a sports watch built around GPS, battery and workout data.
  • You follow your training closely: it adds training effect and race predictor.

Full spec comparison

The vivoactive 5 leads on size and durability; elsewhere the two are closely matched.

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Overview

Overview: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Brand GarminGarmin
Series vívoactiveForerunner

Platform & apps

They are different kinds of watch, so start with how you will use it.

Platform & apps: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Operating system GarminGarmin
Works with iPhone and AndroidiPhone and Android
Storage 4 GB4 GB
App store YesYes

Display

The screens are closely matched.

Display: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Display type AMOLEDAMOLED
Screen size 1.2 in1.2 in
Resolution 390 x 390390 x 390
Pixel density 460 ppi325 ppi
Colour display YesYes
Always-on display YesYes
Touchscreen YesYes
Controls touchscreen, buttonstouchscreen

Design & durability

The vivoactive 5 is ahead on size and durability.

It is lighter, and the Forerunner 165 doesn't beat it on anything here.

Design & durability: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Case sizes 42.2 mm43 mm
Case shape RoundRound
Dimensions 42.2 x 42.2 x 11.1 mm43 x 43 x 11.6 mm
Thickness 11.1 mm11.6 mm
Weight (case) 23 g39 g
Weight with band 36 g—
Case material fiber-reinforced polymer—
Bezel material anodized aluminumfiber-reinforced polymer
Lens Corning Gorilla Glass 3chemically strengthened glass
Band material siliconesilicone
Band width 20 mm20 mm
Band fitting 20 mm, Industry standard20 mm
Fits wrists 125-190 mm126-203 mm
Water resistance 5 ATM5 ATM

Battery

Battery life is close on both.

How you use the screen, GPS and notifications will matter more than the difference between them.

Battery: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Battery (smartwatch mode) 11 days11 days
Battery (GPS) 21 hours19 hours
All battery modes Smartwatch: 11 days; Always-on display: 5 days; Battery saver: 21 days; GPS: 21 hours; All satellite systems: 17 hours; All satellite systems: 8 hoursSmartwatch: 11 days; Battery saver: 20 days; GPS: 19 hours; All satellite systems: 17 hours
Battery type Lithium ionLithium ion
Charging proprietary-plugproprietary-plug

GPS & navigation

Both have built-in GPS with similar capabilities.

GPS & navigation: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
GPS Built-inBuilt-in
Satellite systems GPS, GLONASS, GalileoGPS, GLONASS, Galileo
Maps —Breadcrumb trail
Navigation features back-to-startpoint-to-point navigation, bread crumb trail, back-to-start, TracBack, course guidance

Health & sensors

The vivoactive 5 is ahead on health tracking.

It tracks sleep in more depth, and the Forerunner 165 doesn't beat it on anything here.

Health & sensors: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Sensors optical HR, SpO2, accelerometer, compass, ambient lightoptical HR, SpO2, accelerometer, barometer, compass, thermometer, ambient light
Heart-rate sensor Garmin ElevateGarmin Elevate
Heart-rate tracking 24/724/7
High/low heart-rate alerts YesYes
Heart-rate variability YesYes
Blood oxygen (SpO2) YesYes
Respiration rate YesYes
Sleep tracking Sleep coachingSleep score
Stress tracking YesYes
Energy score Body BatteryBody Battery
Cycle tracking YesYes

Safety

Both offer much the same safety features.

Safety: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Emergency SOS —Via phone
Incident detection YesYes
Live tracking —Yes

Training

The Forerunner 165 is ahead on training features.

It has more training metrics, and the vivoactive 5 doesn't beat it on anything here.

Training: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Auto activity detection YesYes
Swim tracking Pool and open waterPool and open water
Underwater heart rate YesYes
Training metrics VO2 max, recovery time, HRV statusVO2 max, training effect, recovery time, race predictor, HRV status
Adaptive coaching —Yes
Running dynamics —Yes
Wrist running power —Yes
Strength rep counting YesYes
Heart-rate broadcast YesYes
External sensors ANT+, foot pod, speed/cadence, bike radar/lights, golf club tagsANT+, foot pod, speed/cadence, bike radar/lights

Smart features

Both offer much the same smart features.

Smart features: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Notifications YesYes
Message replies AndroidAndroid
Contactless payments YesYes
Payment service Garmin PayGarmin Pay
Cellular None—
Music storage Yes—
Find my phone YesYes
Find my watch YesYes

Diving, golf & more

Neither has a specialist edge here.

Diving, golf & more: Garmin vivoactive 5 vs Garmin Forerunner 165
Spec Garmin vivoactive 5Garmin Forerunner 165
Specialist modes golf, ski—